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  Joanna Advanced Member Username: Joanna Post Number: 192 Registered: 10-2006 |
I agree, it's a must in my "not on the palette" paints. I also like Sag Harbor Gray (cooler) and Periwinkle (pale lavender blue.) The new 15 ml tubes are really nice to have. Don't feel so wasteful. If you paint abstracts and LARGE, the 37mls are nice, though. | ||
Payntur New member Username: Payntur Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2007 |
Hello all. "Coastal Fog" works great for boulder and rocks and works for apsen and birch trees(mixed with a LOT of water). I like it for highlights that need to be just a little darker than the white of the paper. I am ordering more so I will always have some on hand. Try it! I think you will like it. | ||
Joanna Advanced Member Username: Joanna Post Number: 191 Registered: 10-2006 |
Jumping in, coastal fog is semi-opaque and is a warm gray. It's not as yellow as in this photo, though. Raw Umber (Pbr7), Raw Sienna (Pbr7) and Titanium White (PW6) You can try a mix of raw sienna, raw umber and Chinese white to see how you like it. The Am. Journey Chinese white is not very opaque, so this isn't either. I use it for dusty effects.  | ||
Jcator Member Username: Jcator Post Number: 27 Registered: 3-2007 |
Howdy Payntur, What kind of color is "Coastal Fog"? Is it more opaque, than transparent? I have it on my wish list but keep putting off ordering it. | ||
Payntur New member Username: Payntur Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2007 |
Okay, I'll jump in. I am both a newbie and a lurker! I new at watercolor after taking art classes with Patti Fox at Great Basin College in Elko, Nevada. I know so little that I really have nothing to contribute, other than having discovered Cheap Joe's American Journey "Coastal Fog" color is one of the best things to happen yet. It is awesome color that can be used for so many different thing. I am really learning a lot from the other "posters". | ||
Nancyb New member Username: Nancyb Post Number: 2 Registered: 8-2008 |
Thanks George. I'll do my best to splash around a little more than toe deep! | ||
George Unregistered guest |
Nancy, don’t just put your toe in the water. Jump in and splash around. You may get some chlorine in your eyes, but no one here will let you drown. I promise! | ||
Nancyb New member Username: Nancyb Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2008 |
Hi all, I too would like to introduce myself and let you know that I do find your conversations interesting and quite reassuring and affirming! Oddly enough, I have been an artist for most of my life in one medium or another...although painting with watercolor has been my medium of choice for a good while now...but I'm not much of a "poster"!! Even now, I'm not entirely sure of posting and am finding myself using the backspace key as I type this post! Silly maybe, but I'm doing that nonetheless. That being said, I appreciate the 'invitation', if you will, to jump in and say hello and let you know that your forum is reaching us out there in the wings and that we appreciate it tremendously. Hopefully, I'll find a little more nerve to jump in and say something every now and again, but I can't promise that! Thanks though to all of you who do. More often than not your comments help to affirm my own feelings or revelations about the medium or creative process, and often I learn something new. Sometimes I'm reminded of something I HAD learned, but had long forgotten or overlooked. Nancy | ||
Joanna Advanced Member Username: Joanna Post Number: 173 Registered: 10-2006 |
One of the best descriptions for wash strength I read was Jim Kosvanec. He describes his washes as "weak tea", coffee, coffee with cream, etc. This helps me when I make up paint for a large area. | ||
Grizrev Senior Member Username: Grizrev Post Number: 533 Registered: 8-2006 |
Kathy, The trouble with weak washes is not primarily the small brushes and pans, except when you need big washes of color for a painting larger than a small journal entry. The main problem is that folks usually don't prewet the pans thoroughly and early enough to make them really soft again. They end up trying to brush a little paint off the pan's hard surface, end up with too much water and too little paint in the brush, and don't get good color in the initial wash, much less in the final product which dries several degrees lighter! Spray your pans the night before you go out into the field, put a wet paper towel or cloth on them, then close the lid or cover with plastic wrap. It should help. | ||
Kathy Unregistered guest |
Thanks for the suggestion on the Yarka travel box and larger pans. I'll have to check into it. I like the idea of filling empty pans with the colors I need, and that they'll work better with larger brushes. Sounds like why I always had a bit of trouble with washes and not enough color! It's a learning process, for sure! | ||
Grizrev Senior Member Username: Grizrev Post Number: 532 Registered: 8-2006 |
Daniel, welcome to you as well! I apologize for the poorly titled thread! "Readers" would have been a better word than "lurkers!" I'm sure there are a lot of folks out there who read but do not post, which is just fine. At the same time, it is fun to have others "chime in," sharing experiences, questions, observations, reactions, etc. Do post when you feel like it -- this is not a forum for professionals only! | ||
Daniel New member Username: Daniel Post Number: 2 Registered: 9-2006 |
I am Daniel. I have actually been here for quite some time...and have popped in and out on occasion. I paint w/c as often as I can...which is mainly on the weekends due to my daily "hunter /gatherer" activities that sort of stand in the way of my "creativity" now and again. lol! I'm, not sure if I am totally comfortable with the term "lurker"....cause it has a sort of creepy tone to it like "stalker"...ick! Anyway....I read a lot to pick up pointers and any info that I can find helpful...which is much...thank you all! I'm not really into posting much unless I feel i have something to say that may be "relevant"...hmmm...this? Well..ya'll are a nice bunch of folk..and I do enjoy reading...so....um...Hi! daniel | ||
Grizrev Senior Member Username: Grizrev Post Number: 531 Registered: 8-2006 |
Kathy, welcome aboard! Like Joanna, I have seen large pans, often in large rounds in shops catering to Japanese and Chinese brush painters. They would work well with larger brushes in studio settings (but, then, in that setting, why not use fresh tube paint?), but they would be more awkward for your ventures into the field, where your WN travel box probably is more practical, even though it is difficult to use for producing sufficient pools of color for larger brushes and larger paintings. However, as you have discovered, these small travel boxes work well for small brushes and small travel journals... and they are indeed "cute," and collectible! If you want a compromise, get a Yarka travel box that uses full (not half) pans, then fill some empty pans (art stores sell them) with your favorite tube colors and let them dry into travel pans. The full pans are a little easier to work with and are not too large to use in the field. One other possibility is to get a travel box that will hold the large pans Joanna mentions, then take along just a few pans filled with primary colors from which you can mix most of the colors you need. Don't forget one or two large brushes and maybe a large watercolor block. | ||
Joanna Advanced Member Username: Joanna Post Number: 172 Registered: 10-2006 |
Speaking of pans, there is no reason not to use them if you like them. Winsor Newton just came out with a wooden holder for whole pans (easier to get pigment on the entire brush.) The rack holds the ceramic whole pans nicely. I am not sure if Joe's carries this yet, but I saw it in a competing catalog. | ||
Kathy Unregistered guest |
Hi, Per Grizrev's request to introduce myself, I'm a newbie and already in the 30 minutes I've been reading topics within this forum, have learned alot! I read the field box and pan vs. tubes threads as I had the same questions in my mind. I travel alot, like to paint outside, and have a WN field box that I bought for the compact size and excuse me for saying, cuteness. I have used it traveling with great, fun results in capturing scenes. But I was feeling nervous about showing up with it at a May workshop I signed up for. I can see now from my reading, I won't be viewed as childish. I did have to buy a few tubes (store was out of some 1/2 pan colors) so I will get to experiment. Thanks again for all the great tips and advice! (I need to find my Altoid tin to store my extra pans!! GREAT ideas! | ||
Grizrev Senior Member Username: Grizrev Post Number: 509 Registered: 8-2006 |
Dreamer, I as*ume you also are looking back at the other thread, WC Travel (field) Box, to find answers to some of the questions you've asked on this thread. Sorry we didn't get help to you in time to buy a box made for half pans. Don't worry, you'll be able to make use of the palette you bought in your work area at home. Squeeze some paint into the wells and go for it. After the paint dries, you can rewet it and use it again. It often helps to refresh it by squeezing in a little new paint each time as well. | ||
Joanna Advanced Member Username: Joanna Post Number: 151 Registered: 10-2006 |
I never have put half pans in a regular palette, but I think you can stick them in there and moisten them. It won't look purty but it will work. They might slosh around a bit. I use half pans in small boxes like altoid tins for taking on the road. (You can spray paint the inside lid with white paint to make a mixing area.) But I use tube paint in palettes like Joe's. (if that's the one I think you mean.) | ||
Lisa48 New member Username: Lisa48 Post Number: 3 Registered: 2-2008 |
I bought the Cheap Joe's Original Watercolor Palette. Then I bought the 1/2 pans of color. They are much smaller than the wells in the palette. Am I going to make a mess if I put the small 1/2 pans in it? I didn't know to buy a palette made just for 1/2 pans. I am slowly learning! Thanks for your patience. | ||
Dreamer New member Username: Dreamer Post Number: 1 Registered: 2-2008 |
This is my first time at posting or answering anyone, but, I think either is fine. Tube paint is soft and can be applied strongly when first used. After it has set up, as in a pan hardness, it doesn't seem it be as strong. Pans don't seem to give strong color unless it has been wetted and has time to soften somewhat, to give a strong color as tube. It is what you want to do, that is, pans are good for plein air painting and tubes are good for studio, mainly because tube paint, once put on a palette, doesn't transport to well. I like tube paint though. I can't say that I've helped you, but, that's what I've learned looking around the internet. I want to do watercolor sketching, so I need to use pan paints | ||
Lisa48 New member Username: Lisa48 Post Number: 2 Registered: 2-2008 |
I bought the Cheap Joe's Original Watercolor Palette. Can I use this with the half pans? I read somewhere about clips for the pans. How does that work? | ||
George Unregistered guest |
It’s a matter of personal preference. Use what you feel comfortable with. You can use both tube paint and pan paint on the same painting if you like. | ||
Lisa48 New member Username: Lisa48 Post Number: 1 Registered: 2-2008 |
I am new at this so please help me out. I have a few colors in tubes. I then purchased several half pans of colors. I am not sure if I have made a mistake. Are the tubes better to use? | ||
Grizrev Senior Member Username: Grizrev Post Number: 497 Registered: 8-2006 |
Bonnie, thanks once again. I did miss what you meant by "lingo" and "talking a good line." I thought you meant gradually acquiring the vocabulary and ability to discuss, appreciate and teach art. I see in rereading that you used those terms to describe the empty and nonsensical words of people pretending to have knowledge and abilities which they actually do not. We don't need that kind of lingo, either in the world at large or on this board. Honest attempts to discuss art and acquire better vocabulary, skills and understandings are something entirely different, as you suggest. By the way, don't forget to post your critiques and reactions to the instructional videos! | ||
Whitewatercolor Senior Member Username: Whitewatercolor Post Number: 320 Registered: 10-2006 |
The thing I think you missed is I'm talking about in the broader world of art. Not just refering to this board. I am refering to this board as being helpful in gaining knowledge about art and art language that is helpful in the broader community. As far as I'm concerned you don't need to know much of anything to take part in the dicussion but you probably will learn by participating. | ||
Grizrev Senior Member Username: Grizrev Post Number: 494 Registered: 8-2006 |
Bonnie, Yet it does. Thanks. You just mean that we should acquire enough knowledge and experience to contribute clearly and helpfully, i.e., at least the "basic" vocabulary. True enough, but I wouldn't want anyone kept from posting and "trying their wings" (we all learn language as children by imitation and trying). They can post, indicating where they have run out of words to describe what they mean, then more knowledgeable participants can help them out. | ||
Whitewatercolor Senior Member Username: Whitewatercolor Post Number: 318 Registered: 10-2006 |
Okay--an example of "good line" lingo. This is somewhat difficult, but I will try to explain. When we have little experience we are intimidated and or impressed by the resumes of others: exhibits, awards, galleries, etc. Experience teaches us that some shows are harder to get in to, some awards more competitive and some galleries more discriminating. Our discussion on the term "abstract" is an example of accumulating knowledge about or learning "lingo." It appears to me, as though we cannot take many terms in art as "absolute" but they need to be applied in a looser manner, and you may very well need to ask about the term itself as "do you mean using black from the tube" or "mixing black from the pigments." I certainly know people who have gotten quite far in the local art scene by copying the work of others, which has become easier in the day of the internet, and make money teaching others to do the same. When I talk about "talking a good line" or "lingo," I am talking about just that. The ability to appear to have knowledge that you don't. The perception that you can "teach" someone to build something from scratch when you don't know how it is done yourself without a mix. A forum like this may help the participant look deeper, know what questions to ask. In other words, learn the language of the trade. Does this help? | ||
Grizrev Senior Member Username: Grizrev Post Number: 491 Registered: 8-2006 |
Bonnie, please explain to the "newbies" what "the good line lingo" is by giving them a few pointers or a little vocabulary. | ||
Whitewatercolor Senior Member Username: Whitewatercolor Post Number: 315 Registered: 10-2006 |
And--learn the "good line" lingo. | ||
Grizrev Senior Member Username: Grizrev Post Number: 489 Registered: 8-2006 |
Bonnie has a good point. This is a place for seeking and sharing knowledge, regardless of how "much" you presently have. However experienced or inexperienced you are, it is smart to engage -- to seek, to ask, and to share whatever you have with others. I just hope that the lurkers out there who do have a lot to share will not selfishly continue to "keep it close," and that the beginners ("newbies") who only know a "very little" will share that and have the fun of, as Bonnie says, "talking a good line." Who knows, even if you are "newbies" you might, like Bonnie, be able to paint something appealing enough to be exhibited right from the start! Now all you have to do is to figure out why your painting "worked," then practice "talking a good line" about what you did and how someone else might do it as well! This is the place to begin that conversation and exchange thoughts and ideas with your fellow painters! | ||
Whitewatercolor Senior Member Username: Whitewatercolor Post Number: 311 Registered: 10-2006 |
This reminds me of a story. When I took my first watercolor class it was only an hour or two once a week for three weeks. I was so excited that when the instructor said she'd like us to bring something we'd painted during the week to our next session, I did. She entered it in a watercolor society show. It was accepted. I was so embarrassed and felt like such a fake because I didn't even know what I was doing. I didn't go to the show because I thought someone might ask me something that I couldn't answer. Now I know that it doesn't matter if you are just a beginner or you've been painting all your life. People who know very little can sometimes talk a good line and people who know a lot sometimes keep it pretty close. Nobody can tell (nor do they care) how long you've been painting or how much you know. The smartest people I know are the ones who are always seeking knowledge and there is no such thing as a stupid question. | ||
Grizrev Senior Member Username: Grizrev Post Number: 482 Registered: 8-2006 |
Whitewatercolor mentioned that she didn't read the thread about "old posters" because she thought it was about preserving old posters. So let's try another, clearer title for a thread that might catch the eyes of the right people. If any of you out there have been reading the threads on this board but never posting, you are "lurkers." If some of you are reading for the first time, you are "newbies." In either case, would you just check in to let us know you are out there? You don't have to post anything substantive, but you might just introduce yourselves and let the rest of us know whether or not you have found the board interesting or helpful, and why or why not. |
